Signed, retained, departing

[djwilf]

1 minute ago, The Crowing Cockerel said:

So you're suggesting that Gav is using some clever statistical analysis to unearth hidden/cut-price gems? 😂

NO.      Amazing how many fans on here have already made their minds up on a player/players before they've even seen them play a competitive game.      If you can tell me the numbers for the lottery on Saturday that'd be great too 🙃

 

Let me ask you another....based on last season, would you say Gavin made more good signings than bad ones?? Lennon, Billy, Adam, Henry, Bailey, Charlie, Jack and those youngsters on loan too who played their heart out.    Yes our forwards struggled however there were numerous reasons for that that have been well debated on here.    Apart from anything playing against MUCH better defenders.

[The Crowing Cockerel]

6 minutes ago, djwilf said:

NO.      Amazing how many fans on here have already made their minds up on a player/players before they've even seen them play a competitive game.      If you can tell me the numbers for the lottery on Saturday that'd be great too 🙃

 

Let me ask you another....based on last season, would you say Gavin made more good signings than bad ones?? Lennon, Billy, Adam, Henry, Bailey, Charlie, Jack and those youngsters on loan too who played their heart out.    Yes our forwards struggled however there were numerous reasons for that that have been well debated on here.    Apart from anything playing against MUCH better defenders.

Let me be clear: I think the signings so far this summer have been far far better than those made by Gavin last season. I include Lamar Reynolds in that category and am certainly not writing him off!

Plenty of last season's signings weren't up to Step 2 - Alex Solomon, Joash Nembhard, Michael Folivi, Ernaldo Krasniqi, Khanya Leshabela, Scott Thomas, Nana Owusu, Jake Hutchinson, Ruben Shakpoke, Nathan Tormey, Tarrelle Whittaker, Carl Mensah, Lewis Taaffe..... that's 13 for starters.

[ETFC2001]

Just now, The Crowing Cockerel said:

Let me be clear: I think the signings so far this summer have been far far better than those made by Gavin last season. I include Lamar Reynolds in that category and am certainly not writing him off!

Plenty of last season's signings weren't up to Step 2 - Alex Solomon, Joash Nembhard, Michael Folivi, Ernaldo Krasniqi, Khanya Leshabela, Scott Thomas, Nana Owusu, Jake Hutchinson, Ruben Shakpoke, Nathan Tormey, Tarrelle Whittaker, Carl Mensah, Lewis Taaffe..... that's 13 for starters.

Maybe say Jake Hutchinson a bit quieter.. someone might bite your head off.

17 minutes ago, djwilf said:

Let me ask you another....based on last season, would you say Gavin made more good signings than bad ones??

Fairly equal i think

[The Crowing Cockerel]

8 minutes ago, ETFC2001 said:

Fairly equal i think

The signings got better as the season went on. The summer recruitment was pretty disastrous.

[djwilf]

5 minutes ago, The Crowing Cockerel said:

The signings got better as the season went on. The summer recruitment was pretty disastrous.

100%......think around Christmas time or January there was a distinct difference between early season signings and mid season onwards signings.   Obviously Lennon and Billy being the exceptions as think they were both early on.

[Comet]

Joe Wright gone to Aveley

bizarre as only just signed for us? 

 

[The Crowing Cockerel]

31 minutes ago, Comet said:

Joe Wright gone to Aveley

bizarre as only just signed for us? 

 

This is why we've always been reluctant to announce signings early!

Quite amusing to see Rhys congratulating Aveley on the signing - it means he gets the No.1 shirt back!

[djwilf]

37 minutes ago, Comet said:

Joe Wright gone to Aveley

bizarre as only just signed for us? 

 

I think Rhys having concussion meant he was forced to rest/recover and Joe was only ever going to be emergency cover.    We all know how good he is though and probably just a case we can't afford both keepers, certainly when both are good enough to be first choice at this level.  When Joe came in and did well, it was hard to let Rhys come back in with a few(such important) games remaining.

[Towningaround]

2 hours ago, ETFC2001 said:

Maybe say Jake Hutchinson a bit quieter.. someone might bite your head off.

Oh go on then I’ll bite…..and I back my judgement and experience in football over most….

Theres far more evidence to suggest Hutchinson was / is a Step 2 footballer and more so than many not on that list.

Problem is too many ‘fans’ can’t work out the difference between someone who’s not good enough to be a step 2 footballer and a footballer struggling at Step 2 FOR Enfield under Gavin…..

Jakes proven he can score goals at step 2 and step 1….his step 1 goals came v Wrexham, Bromley, Chesterfield and Maidenhead, three of which are now established EFL clubs just two years later.

His record at Step 3 is equivalent to Marcus Wylies one season here and his record in the national league is better than Wylies. 

In 2 seasons time he will be the same age Marcus was when he had his hot season here….hes still only just turned 23!!

Kasimu and Chukwu aren’t on that list despite Hutchinson scoring more goals for Enfield than those two combined having played a similar amount of minutes and has scored more goals in the national league in one season than Wylie, Kasimu or Chukwu have in their entire careers!

In fact his combined National League career goals is more than Wylie, Chukwu and Kasimu career national league goals ADDED TOGETHER!

I don’t think we saw anywhere near the best of him but I saw enough in his movement for the goals he did score and the positions he got in and the runs he made to know he’s good enough for this level and the one above. Funnily enough I sat with Steven King at one game and he agreed. He tends to know a good player…

The fact remains he was more of a goal threat than any other forward we had all season and ran himself into the ground even when playing poorly.

Anyway, what is also evident and not arbitrary is that he didn’t really produce his best for Enfield under Gavin.

There could be umpteen reasons for that on and off the field, but I just think without knowing what they are we should all just agree to disagree and all accept that maybe he doesn’t deserve some of the criticism, probably driven through frustrations, that’s been aimed at him and he’s probably a young player who’s capable of far more than we saw here. 

Personally I wish him well. He worked his gonads off here often chasing lost causes and toiling away on his lonesome against sides far better than us who had far more of the ball than we did. 

 

 

[The Crowing Cockerel]

24 minutes ago, Towningaround said:

Oh go on then I’ll bite…..and I back my judgement and experience in football over most….

Theres far more evidence to suggest Hutchinson was / is a Step 2 footballer and more so than many not on that list.

Problem is too many ‘fans’ can’t work out the difference between someone who’s not good enough to be a step 2 footballer and a footballer struggling at Step 2 FOR Enfield under Gavin…..

Jakes proven he can score goals at step 2 and step 1….his step 1 goals came v Wrexham, Bromley, Chesterfield and Maidenhead, three of which are now established EFL clubs just two years later.

His record at Step 3 is equivalent to Marcus Wylies one season here and his record in the national league is better than Wylies. 

In 2 seasons time he will be the same age Marcus was when he had his hot season here….hes still only just turned 23!!

Kasimu and Chukwu aren’t on that list despite Hutchinson scoring more goals for Enfield than those two combined having played a similar amount of minutes and has scored more goals in the national league in one season than Wylie, Kasimu or Chukwu have in their entire careers!

In fact his combined National League career goals is more than Wylie, Chukwu and Kasimu career national league goals ADDED TOGETHER!

I don’t think we saw anywhere near the best of him but I saw enough in his movement for the goals he did score and the positions he got in and the runs he made to know he’s good enough for this level and the one above. Funnily enough I sat with Steven King at one game and he agreed. He tends to know a good player…

The fact remains he was more of a goal threat than any other forward we had all season and ran himself into the ground even when playing poorly.

Anyway, what is also evident and not arbitrary is that he didn’t really produce his best for Enfield under Gavin.

There could be umpteen reasons for that on and off the field, but I just think without knowing what they are we should all just agree to disagree and all accept that maybe he doesn’t deserve some of the criticism, probably driven through frustrations, that’s been aimed at him and he’s probably a young player who’s capable of far more than we saw here. 

Personally I wish him well. He worked his gonads off here often chasing lost causes and toiling away on his lonesome against sides far better than us who had far more of the ball than we did. 

 

 

Sorry, couldn't resist!

I absolutely appreciate the effort Jake put in. It is perhaps telling though that Worthing (who would have presented him with a boat load of chances on a regular basis) decided to ship him out permanently rather than on loan. No other Step 2 club seem to have come in for him over the summer - hence the drop to Step 3. I expect - and hope - that he will score a bucket full of goals next season in the Isthmian.

[ETFC2001]

1 hour ago, Towningaround said:

Oh go on then I’ll bite…..and I back my judgement and experience in football over most….

Theres far more evidence to suggest Hutchinson was / is a Step 2 footballer and more so than many not on that list.

Problem is too many ‘fans’ can’t work out the difference between someone who’s not good enough to be a step 2 footballer and a footballer struggling at Step 2 FOR Enfield under Gavin…..

Jakes proven he can score goals at step 2 and step 1….his step 1 goals came v Wrexham, Bromley, Chesterfield and Maidenhead, three of which are now established EFL clubs just two years later.

His record at Step 3 is equivalent to Marcus Wylies one season here and his record in the national league is better than Wylies. 

In 2 seasons time he will be the same age Marcus was when he had his hot season here….hes still only just turned 23!!

Kasimu and Chukwu aren’t on that list despite Hutchinson scoring more goals for Enfield than those two combined having played a similar amount of minutes and has scored more goals in the national league in one season than Wylie, Kasimu or Chukwu have in their entire careers!

In fact his combined National League career goals is more than Wylie, Chukwu and Kasimu career national league goals ADDED TOGETHER!

I don’t think we saw anywhere near the best of him but I saw enough in his movement for the goals he did score and the positions he got in and the runs he made to know he’s good enough for this level and the one above. Funnily enough I sat with Steven King at one game and he agreed. He tends to know a good player…

The fact remains he was more of a goal threat than any other forward we had all season and ran himself into the ground even when playing poorly.

Anyway, what is also evident and not arbitrary is that he didn’t really produce his best for Enfield under Gavin.

There could be umpteen reasons for that on and off the field, but I just think without knowing what they are we should all just agree to disagree and all accept that maybe he doesn’t deserve some of the criticism, probably driven through frustrations, that’s been aimed at him and he’s probably a young player who’s capable of far more than we saw here. 

Personally I wish him well. He worked his gonads off here often chasing lost causes and toiling away on his lonesome against sides far better than us who had far more of the ball than we did. 

 

 

I love a good bite.. Enjoy your Thursday evening!

[No bull Towner]

1 hour ago, The Crowing Cockerel said:

This is why we've always been reluctant to announce signings early!

Quite amusing to see Rhys congratulating Aveley on the signing - it means he gets the No.1 shirt back!

The number one shirt was always Rhys'. Don't know why people think Joe was the saviour or something....Joe got less points in his 13 games than Rhys did in the 13 before that!!! Joe only kept the shirt in my opinion as Rhys hadn't played for several weeks as out on compulsory concussion protocol and then with the table so tight there wasn't an 'easy game' to ease back in.....consistency is key when every point mattered

[Barney]

11 hours ago, No bull Towner said:

The number one shirt was always Rhys'. Don't know why people think Joe was the saviour or something....Joe got less points in his 13 games than Rhys did in the 13 before that!!! Joe only kept the shirt in my opinion as Rhys hadn't played for several weeks as out on compulsory concussion protocol and then with the table so tight there wasn't an 'easy game' to ease back in.....consistency is key when every point mattered

In my view, very little to separate them - Rhys a better shotstopper, Joe probably slightly better handling and more experience, I wouldn't be unhappy with either of them in the side. Doesn't make sense to have 2 keepers on our books capable of playing at Step 2, and Rhys definitely the longer-term option for us. No issue with how last season was handled either, once Joe got his place in the side after Rhys' concussion, it wouldn't have been fair to drop him after he'd done nothing wrong. New season, new start, Rhys probably confirmed as our starting keeper, and Joe rightly looks for first team football elsewhere - good luck to him.

[No bull Towner]

17 hours ago, djwilf said:

I think Rhys having concussion meant he was forced to rest/recover and Joe was only ever going to be emergency cover.    We all know how good he is though and probably just a case we can't afford both keepers, certainly when both are good enough to be first choice at this level.  When Joe came in and did well, it was hard to let Rhys come back in with a few(such important) games remaining.

Spot on