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.... ENOUGH !

Christmas, Christmas Lights, the term, "Before Christ", Christmas Trees are all to be banned because it might upset the ethnics ! [color:"red"]

RIGHT THEN............... [color:"black"]

How about banning, Ramadan, Yom Kippur, The Feast of the Passover and various other funny non-Christian festivals, because they're starting to upset me !

(That'll get 'em going !)

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Rant time? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> It does seem to be a bit of bull that we have to be so careful to not upset the ethnic groups, yet it doesn't matter if we are upset. Yep, it happens here too. At least we can still fly our flag, because it hasn't been declared to be 'offensive' to them. YET

I've said it before and I will keep on saying it.. if you are going to be offended by the traditions, customs and holidays of a country.. stay in your own and celebrate your own! It kills me how some of these people can come in and demand that things be changed. I don't understand why they want to come in and try to make another country (England, US, whoever) exactly like their own was, when it wasn't good enough for them when they lived there.

I have always said "Merry Christmas", and I will continue to do so. I am not going to humour them and start saying "Happy Holidays". If I know someone is Jewish, I have no problem with wishing them a Happy Hannukah (or however it is spelled), because that is what he/she celebrates. But to be forced to say "Happy Holidays" to avoid offending someone who is trying to change everything about the way we live here.. forget it.

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it of seeing in October near me a fella has put up his xmas decorations inside and out, plus he doesnt take them down till March <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />, please wait till December

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Absolutely right BJR and Moo, but is it not the case that it is only some loony councils that are doing this? Even if so, there are far too many of them jumping on this mad bandwagon.

I have no religion, in fact I am opposed to religion, but I still do the christmas thing as it is, in practice, a secular holiday (originally non-christian anyway - the beggars pinched it - and Easter).

Nearly all archaeologists still use the terms "BC" and "AD" although some politically correct types use "BCE" which can either mean Before Christian Era or Before Current Era (a pointless distiction as it is still defined by the christian calendar!). What the hell as long as we know what we all mean!

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Rant time? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> It does seem to be a bit of bull that we have to be so careful to not upset the ethnic groups, yet it doesn't matter if we are upset. Yep, it happens here too. At least we can still fly our flag, because it hasn't been declared to be 'offensive' to them. YET

I've said it before and I will keep on saying it.. if you are going to be offended by the traditions, customs and holidays of a country.. stay in your own and celebrate your own! It kills me how some of these people can come in and demand that things be changed. I don't understand why they want to come in and try to make another country (England, US, whoever) exactly like their own was, when it wasn't good enough for them when they lived there.

I have always said "Merry Christmas", and I will continue to do so. I am not going to humour them and start saying "Happy Holidays". If I know someone is Jewish, I have no problem with wishing them a Happy Hannukah (or however it is spelled), because that is what he/she celebrates. But to be forced to say "Happy Holidays" to avoid offending someone who is trying to change everything about the way we live here.. forget it.



I agree Moo, and i said when Target Stores banned the Salvation Army Santa Claus from outside there premises, it was the thin end of the wedge!

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How about banning firework night as it is anti catholic.

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wsell if they ban all that why not ban the ethnics festivals then as well

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wsell if they ban all that why not ban the ethnics festivals then as well


That is pretty much what our point is about. It is getting more and more difficult for some of us in America, England, wherever, to be able to hold our traditions because we might 'upset' the ethnic minorities who come to live in our countries. However, we can't say a thing about their practices, because they have their 'rights'. Seems like the citizens should have the rights we are promised from our governments. These days it is becoming more and more about keeping the illegal alien groups happy than it is about keeping anyone else happy.

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I agree Moo, and i said when Target Stores banned the Salvation Army Santa Claus from outside there premises, it was the thin end of the wedge!


Exactly! When a big corporation refuses to help a charity that helps children, something is going quite wrong in the minds of the 'powers that be'. It costs Target nothing at all to allow someone to stand outside to collect the money. On top of that, they'd get far better publicity for allowing someone to stand out there than they would to refuse. In the last several years, I can only remember seeing a few people dressed in Santa suits while collecting for the Salvation Army, standing outside of any establishment. Most wear regular clothes these days, so Target can't really use an excuse of not wanting to be associated with a Santa figure.. never mind the fact their shelves are full of Santa related merchandise.

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You ought to try living up here, it's ridiculous!
At the moment Bradford is all lit up with pretty lights because it's Deepwali. In the local schools there will be Deepwali celebrations. Next comes Ramadam. Many of the Muslim workers take time off and get special treatment because they're fasting! (Those that work that is!) Then Eid has to be celebrated. More time off work and again in school they have special parties. Next is the Chinese New Year, celebrations in schools yet again.
I worked in schools in Bradford a few years ago and Christmas could only be celebrated as long as you didn't mention Christ!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />

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be a bit hard for MOO, she is in the States <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Both Britain and America are supposed to be Christian Countries, about time the leaders of the churches in both countries made their feelings known to the Governments.
If the Leaders don't make a stand, how do they expect the ordinary citizen be able to make one!

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I think those claiming to be from christian stock are basically non believers.About 2m catholics practice weekly and 1.8m other christian based faiths practice their religion weekly.I do not think the church leaders having any real clout.

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Tell that to the Pope!

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Both Britain and America are supposed to be Christian Countries, about time the leaders of the churches in both countries made their feelings known to the Governments.
If the Leaders don't make a stand, how do they expect the ordinary citizen be able to make one!


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All but 2 of the men who wrote and signed the American Constitution were Christians. America was founded by and originally structured on Christian beliefs. Nowdays, public display of anything Christian seems to be ruled UNConstitutional, because the few who do say anything are Atheists demanding their rights. I don't believe Superman can really fly, but do you see me demanding they get rid of all the comic books and films about him? Atheists can choose to ignore what they don't believe.

You do have a point, if Blair and Bush don't take a stand, how do the rest of us stand a chance of winning the battle?

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All these postings confirm the obvious that multi-culture societies do not work, simply believing that if you dump cultures alongside each other every one will enjoy the splendid colour and abundant smells and it will lead to some sort of utopia
Not so, for a start religious leaders are more ambitious than most and apart from attempting to be “the only true voice” will anger the next door culture who are constantly being classified as a lesser culture or even an evil culture
We in England are C of E and known as acceptably tolerant of peoples from another culture who wish to join in with OUR society
We do not insist that peoples from another culture change religion but that they accept they are joining and adding colour to OUR society
Tolerance is essential in today’s world; multi-culturist thinking is now old hat and does not function with an acceptable degree of comfort or safety for any of the groups concerned
Welcome an-board all you necomers and please enjoy our way of life
Merry Christmas

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If only it were that simple. pabird.

Your definition of how peoples from another culture are/should be welcomed into OUR society [your block capitals] is how you want it to be rather than how it is. We are constantly reading that trendy pinkos are banning the flying of the English flag, nativity plays in schools etc., etc. for fear that these things might be seen as an insult to those of another culture.

And yet, I saw on the London News last night that Westminster [?] City Council are planning some 'Chinese Gateway' with either 5 or 7 arches to be erected at the entrance to Chinatown in tribute to the culture that the Chinese have brought to this country.

I can just imagine the reception if a pinko in the USA suggested that every second home in middle America flying the stars and stripes on its porch should take it down to avoid offending those of another culture.

And take America. Now that's a multi-cultural society. It may happen, but I can't recall any reference to riots on the streets by the Spanish speaking peoples over there. 9/11 is, of course, an entirely different matter than 'unrest on the streets'. As is the position of the 'native Americans' & 'Afro-Americans'.

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Yes agree with your comments, mine were comment on the race (speed!) to turn us into a multi-cultural society which is failing, My point is it was always going to fail
My Grandfather told me the stories of what it was like when his version of the GB society struggled to integrate the inrush of Italians,Greeks, Cypriots Turkish and Greek and Irish
The struggle was there but integration happened, the in crowd attempted over the past decade to tell us and the incomers that integration was wrong and seperate societies living cheek by jowl was the way to go, it was doomed to failure
Incoming peoples of a differing culture were always accepted and their desire to pay homage to their culture left behind was respected but they integrated into our overaul culture
The pushers of the misnomer of multi-culture societies living together should creep away in silence

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But wouldn't a U.S. Citizen describe America as multi-cultural? They seem to co-exist quite happily over there?

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Not sure there, harlem is a one culture area but visitors not welcome, most other cultures are Christianity bonded in one way or another, but all schools sing the star spangled banner each morning
I would appreciate others thoughts on how it works across the pond




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