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morrisonsm

Smoking ban in England!

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I think that there should be places reserved on trains, restaurants, buses and such places for people who don't smoke. It used to be the case in the U.K. and I mourn its passing, quite frankly. I should make it quite clear that I don't consider that it is in any way anti-social to be a non-smoker and those who choose to abstain should not regard it as a stigma to sit in an area reserved for, and among, like-minded individuals.

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I'm giving up smoking in public when ALL LORRIES, CARS AND BUSES USING FOSSIL FUEL ARE BANNED !!! I'm sick of inhaling their fumes !

 

(No ! I don't own a vehicle !)

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Big J R said:
I'm giving up smoking in public when ALL LORRIES, CARS AND BUSES USING FOSSIL FUEL ARE BANNED !!! I'm sick of inhaling their fumes !

(No ! I don't own a vehicle !)

So because vehicles pollute, that gives you the right to pollute as well and potentially kill people?

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Yup !

If I produced as much toxin by smoking as ONE CAR does when it drives past me, then I'll think about it.

Half the people who drive should find out what their legs are for !

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The tests of secondhand smoke's effects on people were slightly twisted to get the results people were wanting to hear. It actually isn't nearly as dangerous as they say it is.

 

What chaps my butt is the people who want to sit and gripe about my smoke bothering them while I am breaking out in hives and my eyes are watering from having to deal with them wearing far too much cologne.. or the ones who want to bitch about how I am killing with my smoke and I know they are drunk and getting ready to get behind the wheel of a car to head out on the road.

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The tests of secondhand smoke's effects on people were slightly twisted to get the results people were wanting to hear. It actually isn't nearly as dangerous as they say it is.

What chaps my butt is the people who want to sit and gripe about my smoke bothering them while I am breaking out in hives and my eyes are watering from having to deal with them wearing far too much cologne.. or the ones who want to bitch about how I am killing with my smoke and I know they are drunk and getting ready to get behind the wheel of a car to head out on the road.

I have a degree and PhD in biology and i can guarantee that the effects second hand smoke have on people were not twisted! It is dangerous and it will kill.

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Eventually, and perhaps over the period of years and years and years, but not as deadly as some want us to believe.


I'll drink to that !

(P'raps not. That'll probably be bad for me as well.)

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A ban on smoking in pubs is wrong. They have allways been the place to go for a drink and a smoke, If you dont like it dont fekin go to a pub. What next ban drinking in pubs. ok drunken rant over!

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It does affect other people. When some man who has had too much to drink suddenly thinks he is the sexiest thing alive and that every woman there wants him, and sets out to prove it by forcefully chatting up every woman in the place. When some man has enough to make him think he is the strongest man in the world and that every man there has a vendetta against him and sets out to prove it. When someone has had far too much to drink and gets behind the wheel of a car to head home.. When someone has enough that he/she suddenly has to speak VERY LOUDLY and bray with laughter over every little thing, so that others can't enjoy conversation..

 

Most pubs who still allow smoking have at least one 'smoke eater' installed to pull the smoke from the air. At least here they do.

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Some people may behave like that some of the time. They can be asked to desist or leave, as with any form of anti-social or thoughtless behaviour. Some people behave like that without the assistance of alcohol.

Smokers always stink.


So do people who work down sewers, but I don't complain about them !

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And so do people who rarely shower, but it is socially unacceptable to say anything to them about it. Why should smokers have to hear about it?

All smokers produce secondary smoke, which affects people, but not all drinkers are aggressive to people. You can't seem to accept that smoking is dangerous, even all evidence points to that fact!

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In that case, the eating of Curry should be banned !

 

That'd cut down on unpleasant emissions, and loads more people would have to buy greenhouses !

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You can't seem to accept that smoking is dangerous, even all evidence points to that fact!


I can accept it, and am aware of it. You seemed to have missed the point that I was making. I said it has been proven it isn't as dangerous as some are wanting us to believe. I never said it wasn't dangerous at all. And, what does saying 'All smokers produce secondary smoke, which affects people, but not all drinkers are aggressive to people' have to do with me talking about it being socially unacceptable to tell someone he or she needs a shower?

There are far more places (at least here) that are completely non-smoking than there are that allow smoking. If someone is mortally offended by someone smoking, by all means, they should wander into one of the places where smokers aren't allowed. What is the point of choosing a place where smoking is allowed and sit there all high and mighty, moaning about someone smoking, when it would be easier to go into a place where smokers can't smoke? I've noticed some people seem to have a need to have some sort of drama, even if it is sitting in a public place that allows smoking so he/she can gripe about it, when he/she could go to one of the non-smoking places and sit happily breathing fume free air.

I agree 100% Big JR! Cancel curry and the world would be a breather-friendly place. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Over here many public places are still all smokey. Happily there are very few workplaces that are not smoke free now, although it took a few years tio get there, and it took major fires before public transport and footbal stadia (depending on the stand) became smoke free.

 

As far as I am aware, and I am not a medical researcher, the "it's not as bad as they say" "research" was ultimately funded by (surprise surprise) tobacco companies and has been shown to be flawed. Funnily enough it took many years for the tobacco industry to give uo trying to deny the link to cancer.

 

Don't misunderstand me, I don't care in the least whether anyone else smokes or not, or whether they drop dead from it or not. The information is there plain enough and it's your choice. But I do object to the arrogance and inconsiderate smoker (a minority of them, I hasten to add) who insists on their "right" to smoke in a confined place where other people consort. Why should other people have to find somewhere else to go to avoid them? If they want or have a need to smoke they should be th eones to find a convenient place to do it.

 

So there.

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I don't think I have ended a passionate argument for my side of a debate that way since I was 9 years old.

Breathing the supposedly 'clean' air in any industrialized area is far more dangerous than going to any pub and breathing around smokers. I still support my argument that if you don't want to breathe around smokers, don't go to pubs that allow smoking when there are plenty that don't allow it. Sit with other non smokers in a non smoking building and then there is no worry about what might happen to your health.

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The "so there" was what we call an attempt at mild humour, intended to lighten the atmosphere a little.

 

No, there aren't plenty of pubs that don't allow smoking, I do not know of any basic basic pubs that don't. Larger chain restaurant pubs usually (if not always) have smoky and non-smoky areas.

 

Perhaps I should make clear that we are not only talking about health here. I believe that smokers genuinely do not realise how unpleasant their smoke is to others and how the acrid fumes make the eyes and throat smart, even across a very large space. I fail to see why people should have to go out of their way to avoid the results of the actions of others.

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