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Originally Posted By: The Town Crier
Originally Posted By: Balmoral Claret
For goodness sake Gazza and TC, I'm not trying to undermine your accounts


of course not, was it our accounts, or our accountants that you were not undermining grin



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Balmoral, I suspect it was your phrase...

 

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I would dearly love to have sight of your accounts in order to establish which elements of "creative accounting" are present.

 

..that is objectionable. It contains a presumption of guilt. Now, if you'd said...

 

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I would dearly love to have sight of your accounts in order to see how you do it.

 

..it may not have recieved the same reaction. Words can be so important, especially in the absence of body language.

 

 

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Originally Posted By: Rick the Dick
Balmoral, I suspect it was your phrase...

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I would dearly love to have sight of your accounts in order to establish which elements of "creative accounting" are present.


..that is objectionable. It contains a presumption of guilt. Now, if you'd said...

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I would dearly love to have sight of your accounts in order to see how you do it.


..it may not have recieved the same reaction. Words can be so important, especially in the absence of body language.



Thanks for the advice Rick. However, the term "creative accounting" has no sinister implications at all within the accounting profession. Indeed, it is a term applied to the clever use of PERMISSABLE and LEGAL accounting procedures in order to optimise an organisations results. However, it remains extremely difficult to use the procedures to turn losses into profits, so I will REPEAT the fact that Ricay's result is a superb achievement in the context of non league football.

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Originally Posted By: GazzaBTFC
I was a bit disapointed by Unc's comments...



Let's put it down to a particularly good Crianza. druff

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Originally Posted By: Balmoral Claret
However, the term "creative accounting" has no sinister implications at all within the accounting profession.


Of course not. But to those not within that profession, which I guess are a large proportion of those who read this MB, it may give the impression that you were suggesting that all is not what it seems.

Anyway, 'tis done now, & corrected. Ordered yout T-Shirt yet wink

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Originally Posted By: Rick the Dick
Originally Posted By: Balmoral Claret
However, the term "creative accounting" has no sinister implications at all within the accounting profession.


Of course not. But to those not within that profession, which I guess are a large proportion of those who read this MB, it may give the impression that you were suggesting that all is not what it seems.

Anyway, 'tis done now, & corrected. Ordered yout T-Shirt yet wink



Ordered my T-Shirt? Certainly not - I'm a realist Rick, and have been supporting the Clarets long enough to know that it's not all over until the fat man (sic) sings.
Ask me again in a month's time.

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Originally Posted By: The Town Crier
Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin
Originally Posted By: Iron Webbo
Billericay make a profit, Braintree make a profit, I wonder if any other local clubs are doing the same?


don't talk bollox webbo...very few NL clubs make a profit and certainly you and ricay aint amongst them....unless of course your subsidies are written off to sponsorship...even then the cash gets hidden....

devil



Alas,It is only a few, but then again not all clubs are as well run as ours. Errm, we certainly did make a profit.

Written off subsidies and hidden cash is something that you are probably familiar with, and that might be the way things are done at your club, but our accounts were, and always are, independently audited by certified accountants, sorry to p1ss on your parade unc, but, we did make a profit.


you are not pi55ing on my parade TC at all and as you very well know I have no interest in undermining your club...I just prefer to tell it as it is and you and I know (and so does webbo) that no non league club at our level with our average gates and our player budgets makes a profit...you can wrap it up all you like but perleeeese...leave the insults out of it when you and I both know full well that I am right... laugh

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unc, forgive me if I have this wrong, but I was speaking to bloke in the pub, and he said that that Arsenal play in a stadium called Emirates and they pay the Arsenal to use their name.

The other thing is, I always thought that that the big circle on their( Arsenal's) shirt was a sort of logo that represented a target for the cannon, but bloke in the pub said no, they ( the Arsenal) actually get paid for showing it, advertising and sponsorship he called it.

 

Obviously bloke in the pub has it wrong, and doesn't have your accounting skills.

What he should have said was...although the Arsenal declare advertising and sponsorship, they are in fact talking "bollox"

 

If I have insulted. which I don't think I have, but just in case, I apologise

.....

 

This was a message on our (Billericay) forum, to our fans, why would you want to comment anyway.

 

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Originally Posted By: GazzaBTFC
Originally Posted By: peter foster
I would be pleased to know the figure which appears in the accounts for "players' wages...."


Why?


Because I'd very much like to divide it by 38....

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This was a message on our (Billericay) forum, to our fans, why would you want to comment anyway.

 

......until you decided as the owner of one RP club to have a jib at another RP club's finances perhaps?.... argue

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((n@CCFC)/38)-((n@BTFC)/38)=?

 

Care to hazzard a guess, Pierre?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted By: The Town Crier
unc, forgive me if I have this wrong, but I was speaking to bloke in the pub, and he said that that Arsenal play in a stadium called Emirates and they pay the Arsenal to use their name.
The other thing is, I always thought that that the big circle on their( Arsenal's) shirt was a sort of logo that represented a target for the cannon, but bloke in the pub said no, they ( the Arsenal) actually get paid for showing it, advertising and sponsorship he called it.

Obviously bloke in the pub has it wrong, and doesn't have your accounting skills.
What he should have said was...although the Arsenal declare advertising and sponsorship, they are in fact talking "bollox"

If I have insulted. which I don't think I have, but just in case, I apologise
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This was a message on our (Billericay) forum, to our fans, why would you want to comment anyway.


I actually responded to webbos commments if you go back and read the thread and using your logic why should he comment then...?

although it appeared okay that he did....

as for your profits declared...I have no gripe at all with that if you want to spin it to your fans but the comments were clearly patronsing and derogatory towards other essex clubs...which is why I responded....

profit is spare cash generated and can be spent...subsidies from shareholders and cronies packaged into sponsorship cannot....in fact this is just an extension of another thread on here and also instigated by you and webbo about what represented income and what represented shareholder support...

however you and others wish to package it.. what you put into the club as chairmen/shareholders is not commercial sponsorship or profit...its a subsidy....

oh and this may be a surprise to you all but players talk to each other quite a lot... grin

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UU, I took T.C.'s initial comments..

 

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This will of course be a shock for some Essex folk and it has caused reverberations in the city.

 

..to be poking a bit of fun at people who make postings like this...

 

http://chelmsfordcitysoapbox84887.yuku.com/topic/1028

 

..and not intended as anything more sinister. Was I wrong?

 

 

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Unsuprisingly, you seem to have missed the point, LF. No matter; it wasn't aimed at you.

 

Sweet dreams.

 

 

 

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And of course you didn't get mine or chose the ignore it!!, but we'll let the two RP Club owners slug it out!!!!.....because they are the only ones who really know the truth of what is on the paper sheets presented!!

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Of course players talk, we all know that, but what does that have to do with shareholders accounts?

 

Iron webbo's comment was not challenging my posting, I read it as if he just making a comparison between his club and Billericay, but as I have not seen Braintree's accounts, I can't comment either way.

 

You have no problem with...but if 'I' post on 'OUR' forum, to 'OUR' fans, 'you' find it derogatory.

My posting wasn't meant to be either patronising, or, derogatory, If i did offened anyone, then please accept my apologies.

 

If, as you claim, your reply was to challenge Braintree's accounting policy only, then I will assume you accept our (billericay) profits are both legitimate and true?

 

And the Spurs shirt sponsorship/package by Mansion, is this just a subsidy, and not legitimate income?

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Originally Posted By: Rick the Dick
UU, I took T.C.'s initial comments..

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This will of course be a shock for some Essex folk and it has caused reverberations in the city.


..to be poking a bit of fun at people who make postings like this...

http://chelmsfordcitysoapbox84887.yuku.com/topic/1028

..and not intended as anything more sinister. Was I wrong?




Of course it was a bit of fun, hence the smiley grin


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Originally Posted By: The Town Crier


Of course players talk, we all know that, but what does that have to do with shareholders accounts?

Iron webbo's comment was not challenging my posting, I read it as if he just making a comparison between his club and Billericay, but as I have not seen Braintree's accounts, I can't comment either way.

You have no problem with...but if 'I' post on 'OUR' forum, to 'OUR' fans, 'you' find it derogatory.
My posting wasn't meant to be either patronising, or, derogatory, If i did offened anyone, then please accept my apologies.

If, as you claim, your reply was to challenge Braintree's accounting policy only, then I will assume you accept our (billericay) profits are both legitimate and true?

And the Spurs shirt sponsorship/package by Mansion, is this just a subsidy, and not legitimate income?


Mansion are not the owners, but sponsors,so thats income.. where as you are the sponsor and owner...so its a subsidy is it not...surely?? blush

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