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What does everyone think of the fact that BAR and Jenson Button have been banned for 2 races because of running a light car in the last Grand Prix.

Personally, I think that the fact that they were cleared of any wrongdoing on the day by the race stewards, which was then contested by the FIA, which got them banned, makes it ridiculous.

I feel sorry for Jenson and all of the mechanics, who will be losing out on two weekends racing. Jenson raced really well at Imola, and to be banned and docked the points he won there is not at all fair in my opinion. If the race stewards found nothing wrong with the car, why now, all of a sudden, does the FIA feel that there is something dodgy going on, and that there is a case that BAR must answer.

Think about it, if it was Ferrari, McClaren or Williams BMW, would they be getting the same treatment. I mean, what if it was Micheal Suchmacher's car. The FIA would probably have backed off. But the fact that it is one of the 'lower' F1 teams obviously puts them in the firing line.

How can they be banned, and virtually accused of cheating, when the appeal board at the FIA ruled out deliberate cheating, and said that there was insufficient evidence that BAR had "deliberately committed fraud".

It just doesn't make sense. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />

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I have to agree, it is rubbish. But, if Button was running a lighter car, he should have been disqualified for that race.

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But there was no proof that they had committed any offence. they were cleared on race day.

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The car must have been weighed on race day. As far as I know this is standard.

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I think a big part of it was they found a hidden fuel tank which could be used to distort weights and stuff.
Lets face it they all must bend, break the rules if they think they can get away with it. I remember brundle saying how he used to have a second crash helmet which was passed to him at the end of a race, this second helmet would be so heavy he said he had trouble standing up straight!!! all this to gain a few extra pounds at the way in.
At the end of the day if you get caught you get punished.
So the stewards cleared bar, but they didnt know about the extra tank maybe???

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The car must have been weighed on race day. As far as I know this is standard.


It was. As I understand it they could have filled the hidden tank to make the car the required weight. During the race they use fuel from both tanks which means the car is under weight at some point in the race for n laps. (This cannot be checked during the race). On the last pit stop you fill the hidden tank again. The weight of the car is legal again for the after race checks.

They cheated and are lucky not to be banded for the season.

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I was just reading about it. They are indeed lucky not to miss the rest of the season.

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It was an undisclosed 'secret' 15 litre fuel tank.

As much as I admire Jenson AND B.A.R., I think a two race ban is very reasonable.

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who care about formula 1 its so boring. Moto GP and superbikes thats real racing they actually overtake as well, unlike F1.

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Biggest cheer of the afternoon before the Gillingham News.

M. Schumacher off roading and then parking the scarlet Ferrari in the garage, Nil points!

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As has been proven in the papers, the car was never underweight at any point in the race, the closest it came was 602Kg. Therefore there was nothing wrong with the conduct at BAR.

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As has been proven in the papers, the car was never underweight at any point in the race,


Well it wouldn't be if there were a couple of journalists attached to it all the way round.

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As has been proven in the papers, the car was never underweight at any point in the race, the closest it came was 602Kg. Therefore there was nothing wrong with the conduct at BAR.


The fact that they put enough fuel in the car to tip them over the limit was the clincher... Potenitially the car could be run below the 600kg threshold and THAT is the problem... and that is why they were banned... Too right as well..!!

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But would it have happened if it had been anyone other than BAR, like Ferrari for instance?

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Yes, I reckon so... BAR claimed they saw a hole in the rule book, and sheepishly took advantage of it, normally Ferrari or McLaren would of done so, but the rule was Sooooooo bleeding obvious none of them dare to go there...!
One thing I am impressed with this season is how much quicker the cars are, even after introduced measures to 'slow them down'...
Alonso for 2005 Champion, got a good price at start of season, so fingers crossed..!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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I've lost all interest in it this year. The whole changing 1 tyre only thing is ridiculous and dangerous I'd imagine.

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I agree with you to a degree, though the whole thing is more exciting this year compared to the Ferrari whitewash of past seasons...

Qualifying is better, though I always enjoyed the free for all approach and limited time and laps..

Engines per races, this is a good rule, it sorts the men from the boys in terms of manufacturer reliability and Renault have got a solid motor.

Tyres, mmmmm not sure on this one. It's only Bridgestone and Michelin fighting it out, and it's down to how long they last before they pop scenario.. Bridgestone were good for a handful of laps, and now they are suffering... I guess Ferrari will switch to Mich's next year (if the rule stays).

I, like Chris, hated previous seasons races, only because Schuey ran away with everything... This year though is better, more down to driver preservation of the car, tyres and fuel stops..

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I've lost all interest in it this year.


It took you that long? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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I agree with you to a degree, though the whole thing is more exciting this year


Can the word 'exciting' ever be used in conjunction with the words 'formula' and 'one'?

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I typed "Formula", "One" and "Exciting" into google and all it came up with were sites about making it more exciting and do you remember when it was exciting.




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