missunderstood Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Why? I dislike thugs - simple as that. Rapists are the vilest thugs imaginable, and I think most normal people would agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphC Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Rapists are the vilest thugs imaginable, and I think most normal people would agree with that. Not all rapists are thugs, like not all soldiers and police officers are thugs , beat up and murder innocent people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Not all rapists are thugs, like not all soldiers and police officers are thugs , beat up and murder innocent people. Apart from being as thick as two planks, your obviously mentally ill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphC Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Shame that you have to throw abuse - brings you right down to the level of others. Maybe you are a thug? I have no idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup of tea Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I'm all for rehabilitation for people who have served their time and can move on - not for rape though. The victim will have a life sentence, the convicted person walks out after a few years and carries on his life as though nothing happened? Not justifiable for me, I'm afraid. missunderstood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share Posted December 7, 2014 The victim will have a life sentence, the convicted person walks out after a few years and carries on his life as though nothing happened? Cup of Tea - That's exactly the point I was trying in vain to get across to Loosely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphC Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Yet, you encourage a murderer to roam free. Double standards Rhodes! Her victim can't have any life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Not surprised no-one has changed their minds or stances since this thread began, only surprised at the lengths some people have been prepared to go to in their arguments to label people with a different opinion, obviously one persons antics need no surprise or explanation, suffice it to say if I'd expressed a different opinion that person would be saying the complete obverse to his stance now and no-one would be surprised or feel the need to address the wumming. What some people are arguing against is a basic human right to find work, no-one has in point of fact stated that they have not found the crime despicable, again despite a certain corner attempting - but not succeeding at twisting the argument, however all are completely entrenched and some only seek to raise the ante. The thread has been very boring for some time and needs closing imo. Pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup of tea Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Tend to agree on the thread Loose, I think we're all intransigent in our opinions on this one so it's becoming pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Yet, you encourage a murderer to roam free. Double standards Rhodes! Her victim can't have any life! RalphC - If you are referring to Amanda Knox I really don't see the connection, she didn't murder anybody. Okay rape isn't murder but it ruins lives and Ched Evans's young victim will have to live with what happened to her for the rest of her life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphC Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 RalphC - If you are referring to Amanda Knox I really don't see the connection, she didn't murder anybody. Okay rape isn't murder but it ruins lives and Ched Evans's young victim will have to live with what happened to her for the rest of her life. I assume you are joking? Amanda Knox has been found guilty of murder. Last time I checked, guilty meant she did murder somebody. Or have I got the meaning of 'guilty' wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 I understand that Hartleppol United will not be signing Ched Evans, apparently it was a vicious internet rumour and the Victoria Park Club confirm that they won't be touching the rapist, who has been described as 'a pariah' by local MP Iain Wright, with a barge pole: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2881937/Hartlepool-reveal-want-sign-convicted-rapist-Ched-Evans-despite-national-outcry-return-football.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Will this sordid story never go away, I see that, incredibly, Maltese side Hibernians have offered Ched Evans a lifeline in football, disgusting!: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2894899/Convicted-rapist-Ched-Evans-offered-six-month-contract-Maltese-Hibernians.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphC Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Saw that! Great news isn't it for freedom to work. What a shame UK clubs felt bullied into not employing someone. Good luck to him! Oh and the above is posted as I believe that someone who has served their debt to society should be given every opportunity to provide for their family or should say a child of a convicted criminal who has served their time go hungry and suffer? Or maybe you think a child or other dependant should? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 RalphC - How can you possibly say that and support the Maltese Club's decision to allow Evans to ply his trade for them, I wouldn't be surprised if it is just a publicity stunt as I gather the Maltese season ends next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romford boy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Saw that! Great news isn't it for freedom to work. What a shame UK clubs felt bullied into not employing someone. Good luck to him! Oh and the above is posted as I believe that someone who has served their debt to society should be given every opportunity to provide for their family or should say a child of a convicted criminal who has served their time go hungry and suffer? Or maybe you think a child or other dependant should? No thoughts about the innocent victim then? or in your strange world doesn't she matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 No thoughts about the innocent victim then? or in your strange world doesn't she matter. Romford Boy - I echo that, the poor woman has been forced to change her name and move five times: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2888732/Ched-Evans-s-rape-victim-forced-FIFTH-time-flee-trolls-Attorney-General-comes-fire-father.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphC Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 No thoughts about the innocent victim then? or in your strange world doesn't she matter. Sure. No male or female should be abused in any way. It is abhorrent. However she also does not have the right to prevent someone from working. Of course she is in hiding - an innocent person does not normally hide or do they? If her life is in danger the police would protect her. Maybe she is fearful of Evans proving his innocence and her being up in court for making false accusations? it does happen where women and men make false claims of rape and the innocent party is then punished or named and shamed in the press, whilst the so called original victim walks free. That is hardly fair is it? If Evans is found innocent, I bet you will not come on here and apologise to him. I assume you will also be campaigning for Prince Andrew to be stripped of his Royal title and banned from working? Of course he is unlikely to go to the USA to defend his name, so do we presume he is guilty? Loose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 RalphC - It sounds like you're backtracking and what has the Duke of York got to do with Evans although it's common knowledge today's newspapers have him bang to rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 RalphC - It sounds like you're backtracking and what has the Duke of York got to do with Evans although it's common knowledge today's newspapers have him bang to rights. What's this Rhodesly? Are you saying that you believe that the Duke of York has had under age sex as alleged? Surely you do not have the spine to spell it out in plain language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Loosely - Well wouldn't you be tempted by Virgina Roberts, the Duke probably thought he was untouchable: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/06/article-1363636-0D608B91000005DC-428_634x847.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romford boy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Sure. No male or female should be abused in any way. It is abhorrent. However she also does not have the right to prevent someone from working. Of course she is in hiding - an innocent person does not normally hide or do they? If her life is in danger the police would protect her. Maybe she is fearful of Evans proving his innocence and her being up in court for making false accusations? it does happen where women and men make false claims of rape and the innocent party is then punished or named and shamed in the press, whilst the so called original victim walks free. That is hardly fair is it? If Evans is found innocent, I bet you will not come on here and apologise to him. I assume you will also be campaigning for Prince Andrew to be stripped of his Royal title and banned from working? Of course he is unlikely to go to the USA to defend his name, so do we presume he is guilty? If Prince Andrew makes no attempt to defend his name it's reasonable to assume people will make their own assumptions. As your stance on the Ched Evans situation is at best unconventional would you confirm you have no daughters of your own, or perhaps no convictions for sexual-related offences, or are you mentally ill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Loosely - Well wouldn't you be tempted by Virgina Roberts, the Duke probably thought he was untouchable: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/06/article-1363636-0D608B91000005DC-428_634x847.jpg I think you forgot to answer my question Rhodesly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 would you confirm you have no daughters of your own If the likes of Loosely and RalphC had daughters of their own I'm sure they would change their tune however I still can't understand how they can defend, and even support, a rapist, it's as if the sun shines out of him isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphC Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 If Prince Andrew makes no attempt to defend his name it's reasonable to assume people will make their own assumptions. As your stance on the Ched Evans situation is at best unconventional would you confirm you have no daughters of your own, or perhaps no convictions for sexual-related offences, or are you mentally ill? I have daughters, yes. I have no convictions of any sort - not even speeding! As for being mentally ill - not that I know! If, and it is still currently if as it is subject to an appeal, he raped a female then of course the sentence was just. In the same way that if a man or women committed any crime, I would like to see them punished. However, and this is the bit you just can't grasp, is once that sentence is served they are a free man or women. Free as in free. There may be conditions upon the release. Such as signing the sex offenders register or not working with minors or maybe even not being alone with children. I have no idea of the conditions placed on Evans. But what I do know is that playing football is not banned and last time I checked it was not a crime (although supporting and believing Romford can play might ) Therefore he should not be prevented from being employed in his chosen field. What rights do you have to block that? None! If he raped my daughter(s) then my view would be the same - it has to be as that is what the law says. As any father, who knew her daughter was also drunk, I might question as to how much she was to blame as well. Whether I would publicly do that is another matter, but it might cross my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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