Munchkin Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 So the development division is no more from next season. What a monumental cock up that was ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Back to old reserve league? what a fecking disaster. Absolutely ridiculous at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munchkin Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 No plans for a reserve league, equally I think they burnt a lot bridges. Most Herts clubs went to Herts County League so unlikely to return. some talk about a Division 3 which could allow Reserves sides but nothing concrete at this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 On 31/01/2019 at 17:27, Winslow Boy said: Back to old reserve league? what a fecking disaster. Absolutely ridiculous at this level. Well said WB. I called this a long time ago. Complete disaster and the SSMFL should be ashamed of themselves for ruining one of the best supported reserve leagues in the country at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBrackley Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The current standard of the Development League is glorified junior football. Hopefully they can resurrect a decent alternative but that ship might well have sailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 On 01/02/2019 at 16:35, Munchkin said: No plans for a reserve league, equally I think they burnt a lot bridges. Most Herts clubs went to Herts County League so unlikely to return, some talk about a Division 3 which could allow Reserves sides but nothing concrete at this moment. The Minutes of the 29 August SSML Management Board, last year, stated (see below) that the possible re-introduction of 'some form of Reserve Team structure for season 2020/2021 would be kept under review' however we have not heard very much, if anything, since, is there any news. The Under 25 Development Division was introduced for the 2016/17 campaign, which replaced Reserve Division South & East and Reserve Division North & West however was not overly popular with Club's, being described as 'glorified junior football' and was done away with three seasons later at the end of last season: Reserve Team Football – It was agreed to keep under review the possible introduction of some form of Reserve Team structure for Season 2020/2021. This would, of course, be dependent upon the outcome of the proposed restructure of Step 5/Step 6 football for next Season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Development division has to go down as the worst thing ever about SSML. Utterly, utterly horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Winslow Boy - You seem in a bit of a mood today, are you okay. I do think having five over aged players in a team made a bit of a nonsense of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Ha not especially, I said it when it happened and I still say it now, it’s an embarrassment, it’s stupid and totally unnecessary and in fact counter productive to football at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I note from the November Management Board minutes that a survey was introduced regarding the re-introduction of a Reserve team structure, presumably for the 2020/2021 season, do we know what the outcome of the survey was and how many Club's were for and how many were against the re-introduction: Reserve Team Football – It was noted that a further survey was to take place with regard to the re introduction of a reserve team structure. There was a view expressed that it may be appropriate to await the restructure of the League before embarking on any further internal changes. It was agreed, however to go ahead with the survey to assess the views of current member clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Looking at these photographs from a random 2017/18 SSML Under 25 Development Division fixture between Buckingham Athletic and Leighton Town, on 28 October 2017 at Stratford Fields, I have to say it doesn't look particularly inspiring with scruffy track suited linesmen and one man and his dog in attendance, Leighton Town won 4-1 if, in the unlikely event, anyone is interested: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savagebee Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Why didn't the Under 25 Development League work out then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Savagebee said: Why didn't the Under 25 Development League work out then? Savagebee - How long have you got, you only need to read the earlier posts and on the thread below from 2016 when the Under 25 Development Division first got off the ground for the 2016/17 campaign and surprisingly lasted for three seasons before it was scrubbed. The Division was laughed out of Court as soon as it came off the drawing board at the SSML Management Committee meeting on 24 May 2016 and making it a Step 6 and above requirement, therefore excluding Division Two Club's, repeat (roll on roll off) substitutions, shortage of match Officials and the over age players issue were just four of the many criticisms, I felt a bit sorry for Karen as she was taking all the flack and bravely and loyally batted off every single criticism in a Ian Botham, Donald Bradman and Gary Sobers style: U-25 DEVELOPMENT DIVISION SEASON 2016/17 At the Management Committee meeting on 24th May, it was agreed that: 1. The League will run a U-25 Development Division, with a maximum of 5 over age players allowed. 2. If there is enough support, the League will also run a smaller Reserve Division for those clubs who do not meet the Grade requirements for the above or do not wish to join the above. There will be a maximum of 5 over age players allowed to be allowed on the Team Sheet, although only 3 substitutes can be used (FA Regulations). We will however allow repeat substitutions. Age will be defined as at 1st August each year. Membership will be open to all current Reserve teams whose clubs are in the SSMFL and with an F or G Grade. Clubs will be encouraged to change the name of their Reserve team to a Development XI and will have the option of fielding a U-21 or U-23 team if they so wished. This move should also help clubs to attract new and younger players (as well as retaining existing players) who may find joining a Development team as a step forward in their career. Although the majority of games will be played on a Saturday, clubs should be available for midweek games as and when required. One of the hoped for benefits of a Development Division would be the ability to provide 3 match officials. Unfortunately in the short term, due to an overall shortage of officials, it may prove impossible to allocate 3 to every game. However there will be a guaranteed minimum of I official provided every week, and should the situation change this will be increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savagebee Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 On 13/05/2020 at 12:18, Rhodes said: The Minutes of the 29 August SSML Management Board, last year, stated (see below) that the possible re-introduction of 'some form of Reserve Team structure for season 2020/2021 would be kept under review' however we have not heard very much, if anything, since, is there any news. The Under 25 Development Division was introduced for the 2016/17 campaign, which replaced Reserve Division South & East and Reserve Division North & West however was not overly popular with Club's, being described as 'glorified junior football' and was done away with three seasons later at the end of last season: Reserve Team Football – It was agreed to keep under review the possible introduction of some form of Reserve Team structure for Season 2020/2021. This would, of course, be dependent upon the outcome of the proposed restructure of Step 5/Step 6 football for next Season. Hope a new reserve league goes ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munchkin Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 They absolutely [****!!****]ed up over the Dev league, promised all sorts to clubs such as 3 officials and better standard with only clubs with lights allowed. They shafted the div 2 reserve sides. Our reserves had 3 different leagues in 3 seasons trying to recover. The promises were false, it was a disaster and clubs left in droves. When questioned at the agm, the response “well you voted for it”... all that for more money from the FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savagebee Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Munchkin said: They absolutely [****!!****]ed up over the Dev league, promised all sorts to clubs such as 3 officials and better standard with only clubs with lights allowed. They shafted the div 2 reserve sides. Our reserves had 3 different leagues in 3 seasons trying to recover. The promises were false, it was a disaster and clubs left in droves. When questioned at the agm, the response “well you voted for it”... all that for more money from the FA A good post and yep it sounded a mess and not worth the hassle for clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Talking of Reserve sides there is a thread on another Forum entitled 'Reserve Teams - How High Can They Go' and I was just wondering if the ruling below is still current even though the SSML are no longer inundated with Reserve Club's like it use to be a while back in Division One and Division Two: https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forums/index.php?threads/reserve-teams-how-high-can-they-go.1815/ NLS Regulation 7.2 in full: "Reserve teams, including a team from a club or Club which is not considered by the Committee to be sufficiently separate from another Club or Club, will not be permitted to compete above Step 6 in the NLS. There must be a minimum of two Steps between a first and Reserve team. This does not apply at Steps 6 & 7. No two teams from the same Club can play at the same Step. Reserve teams currently at Step 5 can remain unless relegated, once relegated they will not be permitted to be promoted back to Step 5." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Who recalls the 2017/18 Under 25 Division Challenge Trophy Final between Harpenden Town and Risborough Rangers at Cow Lane on Wednesday 18 April 2018, probably not that many outside of Rothamsted Park as Harpenden Town won 2-1 with goals from Louis Frederick and Jack Skinner. Harpenden Town Under 25's also finished second in the table that season behind an outstanding AFC Dunstable side who only lost one League game, at Ampthill Town on the first day of the campaign. Harpenden Town beat AFC Dunstable 4-1 at Rothamsted Park en-route to lifting the Challenge Trophy, despite being 1-0 down at the break, as well as Cockfosters, Hoddesdon Town and Buckingham Athletic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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