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Our Lads in Iraq.

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See the pictures in todays Sunday Press ?

 

Catch the video footage on tonights T.V. news ?

 

Comments on a riot baton, to............

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we have had enough of this [****!!****] press! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />why they don't show the british soldiers in action when they get blown up by an invisible and coward enemy! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> get out of the place and nuke them! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />

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Tell that to the Iraq soldiers who are getting beaten. They too are fighting invisible enemies who use rockets and bombs.

What you have to remember is that they are just soldiers following orders, just like our own soldiers, in a war which has been started on false pretences, (no weapons of mass destruction found yet!).

 

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get out of the place and nuke them! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />



What a well-argued and thought-out solution... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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coach et 64 said:
get out of the place and nuke them! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />



What a well-argued and thought-out solution... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


Have a closer look at the under message statement "world cup final:england-italy 1-2"

Obviously an Italian tank driver with five reverse gears and one forward.

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oi dicky bird,there are 4000 of our lads overthere

and quite a few of them have been cowardly blown up in nassirya last year! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> regarding the tank driver,i have heard that so many times.... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />you know the difference between me and you?i can drive a tank and i can assure you that if you stand in front of it,i'll make sure you are going become as flat as a pancake...no need to use the rear gear!you must be one of these nice muslims with british passport that rail against everything they don't like in this country.no worry i have spoken with my friend the Pope and another Crusade is on the cards... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />

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coach et 64 said:you must be one of these nice muslims with british passport that rail against everything they don't like in this country.



Blimey, if not wanting to nuke everybody you don't agree with makes you a raving lefty anti-British muslim, you'd better count me in. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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oi dicky bird,there are 4000 of our lads overthere
and quite a few of them have been cowardly blown up in nassirya last year! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> regarding the tank driver,i have heard that so many times.... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />you know the difference between me and you?i can drive a tank and i can assure you that if you stand in front of it,i'll make sure you are going become as flat as a pancake...no need to use the rear gear!you must be one of these nice muslims with british passport


Iam one of those nice English lads with a sense of humour, C of E north London born and obviously then a Spurs supporter (since 1948)must go its 11:45 am and I must read the book of Italian hero!s before midday
Truth to tell their is a great book of Italian mini-sub heroics in WW2 that is a must read which puts to bed the fun jokes about Italian hero!s

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The lads in that regiment were under enormous pressure at the time the pictures were made (around 2 years ago), having bricks and grenades getting thrown at them. Maybe they also suffered losses.

I think its easy for people to judge these pictures, without thinking about the circumstances that our boys were under.

 

Its a shame that the British armey face a lot of criticism from there own press and people. Whether or not you agree with the war my sympathies are with the soldiers and not the Iraqi's. Strange as that may sound.

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well said mate and never forget them and what they are doing:risking their lives for the same amount of money i earn delivering letters! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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MHL said:Whether or not you agree with the war


It's not a war, though, it's a peacekeeping operation - at least in the official view of things. The rules are entirely different as is the conduct expected of soldiers. It's probably not a position they should be in, or a job they should have to do given that they're trained to fight an enemy rather than exercise restraint in the face of provocation, but unfortunately their government has put them in a position where if they break the rules, then they have to be punished for it in the eyes of the international community.

That's how it works, whether you like it or not. Don't blame the newspapers, blame the government for going in in the first place.

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The problem for them is that peace keeping goes out the window when they face daily problems, be it bombings against them or amongst the local population. Don't get me wrong, I entirely blame the government for the fate of the Squaddies out there, but the opposition they face is intensfified when our own media and its writers start calling for the soldiers to be prosecuted, and pictures are broadcast across the British Media and Al Jazeera. Seems like a propaganda coup to attack more British soldiers, in order to sell more papers.

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As far as i'm concerned the squaddies are to blame. When the UK police beat up protesters or people rioting, those guilty police officers are brought to justice, so the same should be true for squaddies!!!

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I wonder how you might have felt had you been out there yourself as a conscript

I well remember talking to (then) lads of my generation and older who fought in Cyprus, Kenya and northern Ireland and well remember how vivid they made the adrenalin rush when on active service and possibly about to be maimed or killed any second, civil liberties or not the first issue that comes to mind when you have that second by second threat in your conscious thoughts

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What a surprise to read this morning that they had been under heavy attack, ie mortar fire, machine fire (this was a daily occurence but particuarly bad day as well - the commanding officer of the regiment involved had received a medal for his conduct during these times), that they were under orders to organise snatch squads (not the snatch some people would think of) to round up the ringleaders, take them to base and give them a going over with batons (as per army protocol during "peacekeeping"), instead the media so keen to make a sensational story, endanger the reputation and safety of the army, and show a small part of the story without the full backround. Just like the Mirror printing hoax pictures some time ago.

Also this event happened 2 years ago, o had the "victims" really been so innocent why hadn't they sold there story till now (until some hack receives some footage recently). There was no blood and the "victims" were released. End of story.

 

Morrisonm I think I agree to disagree, you can't draw comparisons with the British Bobby. Imo that is ridiculous.

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This I think is the key point. These guys are trained soldiers, what what little I know about it probably amongst, if not the, best in the world. They are NOT policemen. They are being asked to do a enormously difficult, ill-defined and contradictory job for which they are not trained, and are probably temporamentally ill suited and probably never joined up to do in the first place.

 

Yes, strictly speaking they should not have done what it appears they have done, but context is everything (and let's haave all the facts and evidence before we decide anything). On the face of it if guilty I would suggest it is deemed a technicality and they recieve a nominal, or confined to barracks for a week or something, whatever it is the pongoes do.

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Just ask yourself this. You are being shot at, mortared and stoned, and all you have is a baton, wouldn't you beat the [****!!****] out of somebody if you caught them? I would! Bear in mind these images appeared in the News of the Screws(so they said on BBC America), and didn't mention the happenings before hand!

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Read the full story, they were bombed by mortars, hand grenades and fired at by guns. They responded with Batons.

 

But to be honest if the situation was just stones I would still think the soldiers were justified.

 

I think your on a wind up ?

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There is no justification to beat up someone if non-violent methods can be used. In this case non-violent methods could have been used!

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We did not send a peace keeping (trained) army we (illegally) invaded using an invasion army with solders trained to kill, Bliar knew this from day one which appears to have been at least 12 months before the "invasion"
Read your papers every day and read about the deaths day by day of innocents and solders from sneak attacks via hidden bombs, grenades and snipers etc
I suggest you get real this is not a "come dancing" series but real life with real life lost, arms and legs blown away and all the trauma that accompanies such actions

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There is no justification to beat up someone if non-violent methods can be used. In this case non-violent methods could have been used!

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So it's a slap on the wrist, and a fiver out of the 'poor box' then ??

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