Referees/Assistant Referees

[petethegreek]

41 minutes ago, Rhodes said:

PetetheGreek - What is your take on this tackle which Watford's Nathaniel Chalobah got a yellow card for recently, the likes of Billy Bremner, Norman Hunter, Dave Mackay and Tommy Smith must be turning in their graves mustn't they at what our game has sadly become:

 

Back in the day that would have been deemed a fair tackle.

Chalobah wins the ball but with his follow through he takes out his opponent. The amount of force in the challenge makes it reckless and, therefore, a yellow card is correctly issued.

[Rhodes]

PetetheGreek - Time to dig out another one I'm afraid, I'm sure we would have normally been looking forward to a Baldock Town, Langford, St Panteleimon, Park View or London Lions fixture this evening who all play on Wednesday's, I wonder how long this sheer boredom is going to go on for. Anyway this one looks a bit tricky so it will be interesting to see how you get on:

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by Rhodes

[petethegreek]

18 hours ago, Rhodes said:

PetetheGreek - Time to dig out another one I'm afraid, I'm sure we would have normally been looking forward to a Baldock Town, Langford, St Panteleimon, Park View or London Lions fixture this evening who all play on Wednesday's, I wonder how long this sheer boredom is going to go on for. Anyway this one looks a bit tricky so it will be interesting to see how you get on:

 

1 If the manager (Team Official) was on the Field of Play when attempting to catch the ball while the ball was in play then play is stopped. The manager is cautioned and play is re-started with a direct free kick from where he interfered with play. If he was behind the goal line and entered the penalty area to catch the ball then the re-start would be a penalty kick. This is a recent Law change. Before, you would re-start with an indirect free kick.

2 Both players are sent off for Violent Conduct. As the game has not started, both teams are allowed to move up a player from their substitutes to their starting XI. The game begins with 11 v 11. You cannot add new players to the named substitutes list to replace the 2 players who are now starting the game.

3 The ball boy would be deemed an outside agent so play is stopped and a drop ball awarded. Drop ball to GK if the incident happened in the penalty area.

I've come across 1 and 3 but still waiting for 2 to happen!!!
 

[Rhodes]

Here's something for PetetheGreek, a new 'gound-breaking' FA scheme to promote positive mental health for match officials across the grassroots game, not suggesting of course that he has any mental health issues:

FA launches mental health champions scheme for grassroots referees (thefa.com)

[Rhodes]

21 hours ago, petethegreek said:

1 If the manager (Team Official) was on the Field of Play when attempting to catch the ball while the ball was in play then play is stopped. The manager is cautioned and play is re-started with a direct free kick from where he interfered with play. If he was behind the goal line and entered the penalty area to catch the ball then the re-start would be a penalty kick. This is a recent Law change. Before, you would re-start with an indirect free kick.
2 Both players are sent off for Violent Conduct. As the game has not started, both teams are allowed to move up a player from their substitutes to their starting XI. The game begins with 11 v 11. You cannot add new players to the named substitutes list to replace the 2 players who are now starting the game.

3 The ball boy would be deemed an outside agent so play is stopped and a drop ball awarded. Drop ball to GK if the incident happened in the penalty area.

You certainly know your onions don't you. I am quite surprised that you have never encounterd number two before especially in the Islington Midweek League at Market Road:

1) Stop the throw being taken. The offence here is the manager stepping on to the field of play – so have a word, and restart with a dropped ball from the position where he entered the pitch. He should know better. 
2) First the easy bit: send them both off. Second, deal with the starting lineups. Because the game had not begun when you showed the red cards, both managers can now convert a named substitute from their original teamsheets into a starting player. It means they will now each have one fewer sub to choose from during the game, but they can still make the standard three changes. Once everyone is clear and the two teams have new captains, resume the coin toss as normal.
3) It’s always a priority to avoid penalising a team who have done nothing wrong – but there are times when you have no choice. This is one of those times. You cannot award the goal here because play was dead the moment the boy touched the ball. All you can do is make sure the boy is removed from pitchside, and restart with a dropped ball from where he saved it (or at a point on the goal area line parallel to the goalline nearest to where the boy touched the ball if he was inside the six-yard box). Calm everyone down, explain the situation, and include full details in your post-game report. 

[petethegreek]

54 minutes ago, Rhodes said:

You certainly know your onions don't you. I am quite surprised that you have never encounterd number two before especially in the Islington Midweek League at Market Road:

1) Stop the throw being taken. The offence here is the manager stepping on to the field of play – so have a word, and restart with a dropped ball from the position where he entered the pitch. He should know better. 
2) First the easy bit: send them both off. Second, deal with the starting lineups. Because the game had not begun when you showed the red cards, both managers can now convert a named substitute from their original teamsheets into a starting player. It means they will now each have one fewer sub to choose from during the game, but they can still make the standard three changes. Once everyone is clear and the two teams have new captains, resume the coin toss as normal.
3) It’s always a priority to avoid penalising a team who have done nothing wrong – but there are times when you have no choice. This is one of those times. You cannot award the goal here because play was dead the moment the boy touched the ball. All you can do is make sure the boy is removed from pitchside, and restart with a dropped ball from where he saved it (or at a point on the goal area line parallel to the goalline nearest to where the boy touched the ball if he was inside the six-yard box). Calm everyone down, explain the situation, and include full details in your post-game report. 

Your answer for Nr 1 is old Law. Would now be a direct free kick.

What is so unique about the Islington Midweek Football League that you would expect both captains to thunp each other before kick off?

[Rhodes]

51 minutes ago, petethegreek said:

What is so unique about the Islington Midweek Football League that you would expect both captains to thunp each other before kick off?

PetetheGreek - I'm not sure why you are asking me that question as you should know perfectly well, you are even quoted in this article when Times Athletic resigned from the League after one of their players attacked another during a game. I thought your comment of "the World Cup this year means that more lads are getting together and deciding to start a football team when they’re in the pub" said it all, did you regret saying that to the press afterwards: 

Times Athletic out of Islington Midweek League - Islington Now

[petethegreek]

58 minutes ago, Rhodes said:

PetetheGreek - I'm not sure why you are asking me that question as you should know perfectly well, you are even quoted in this article when Times Athletic resigned from the League after one of their players attacked another during a game. I thought your comment of "the World Cup this year means that more lads are getting together and deciding to start a football team when they’re in the pub" said it all, did you regret saying that to the press afterwards: 

Times Athletic out of Islington Midweek League - Islington Now

I was asked about how the resignation of Times Athletic affected the Competition and what other reasons teams leave mid season.

The reporter wanted to know if the forthcoming World Cup might increase participation the following year and it was of my opinion that it would.

[Rhodes]

PetetheGreek - I fail to see what the World Cup later that year in South Africa had to do with anything particularly as the violent incident at Market Road took place in February 2010. Anyway my point was why did you have to mention anything about 'the pub' as that can give the wrong impression to a reader for example a drinking culture connected to football.

[petethegreek]

1 hour ago, Rhodes said:

PetetheGreek - I fail to see what the World Cup later that year in South Africa had to do with anything particularly as the violent incident at Market Road took place in February 2010. Anyway my point was why did you have to mention anything about 'the pub' as that can give the wrong impression to a reader for example a drinking culture connected to football.

I doubt everyone who read the article thinks like you.

[Rhodes]

I see that Ben Furneaux was on an interesting pre 2010/11 season friendly fixture between Ashford Town (Middx) and Bradford City, at the newly Christened Robert Parker Stadium on Friday 23 July 2010, Ashford Town (Middx) won 3-0:

Edited February 20, 2021 by Rhodes

[Rhodes]

On 19/02/2021 at 20:38, petethegreek said:

I doubt everyone who read the article thinks like you

I still think it was a strange thing to say to the local press, why mention the pub at all, you could have said something like when playing five a side at the Sobell Sports Centre for example, that would have sounded a lot better.

[Rhodes]

PetetheGreek - What was your take on this incident last week when Referee Darren Drysdale sqared up to a player in the Ipswich v Northampton Town League One fixture, I've never seen that before at such a high level of the game, is his career finished:

Referee Darren Drysdale Vs Alan Judge - YouTube

Darren Drysdale: Referee charged by FA over clash with Ipswich player - BBC Sport

Referee Darren Drysdale charged by FA with misconduct for confronting player | Ipswich Town | The Guardian

Edited February 23, 2021 by Rhodes

[petethegreek]

18 hours ago, Rhodes said:

PetetheGreek - What was your take on this incident last week when Referee Darren Drysdale sqared up to a player in the Ipswich v Northampton Town League One fixture, I've never seen that before at such a high level of the game, is his career finished:

Referee Darren Drysdale Vs Alan Judge - YouTube

Darren Drysdale: Referee charged by FA over clash with Ipswich player - BBC Sport

Referee Darren Drysdale charged by FA with misconduct for confronting player | Ipswich Town | The Guardian

The FA had no choice but to charge him under E3 for Improper Conduct.

Very likely he will be given a warning with a week or twos 'holiday'.

[Rhodes]

1 hour ago, petethegreek said:

Very likely he will be given a warning with a week or twos 'holiday'

Really, is that all, I see Drysdale has been axed this weekend, I wonder what made him flip like that and apparently he also used foul and abusive language to the Ipswich player Alan Judge. Have you ever come close to losing your cool during a game, either as a Referee or an Assistant:

Darren Drysdale axed from refereeing duty this weekend after heated clash with Ipswich's Alan Judge (thesun.co.uk)

[petethegreek]

1 hour ago, Rhodes said:

Really, is that all, I see Drysdale has been axed this weekend, I wonder what made him flip like that and apparently he also used foul and abusive language to the Ipswich player Alan Judge. Have you ever come close to losing your cool during a game, either as a Referee or an Assistant:

Darren Drysdale axed from refereeing duty this weekend after heated clash with Ipswich's Alan Judge (thesun.co.uk)

Yes I have but not to the point like Drysdale. 

 

[Rhodes]

Not sure whether this webinar will be of interest to anyone tomorrow evening, it appears to be free but obviously you have to register first by e-mail:

Women in Football - Join Jawahir Roble and Sian Massey-Ellis on upcoming "Breaking Barriers" webinar

[Rhodes]

An interesting video talking to the Referees Association Chairman Paul Field who has some strong views about how Referees are being treated in this day and age, particularly Mike Dean who recently received on-line death threats, as well as his family, after the Fulham v West Ham Premier League fixture on 6 February. Dean doesn't do himself any favours at times as the video at the link illustrates however what happened to him was still unacceptable:

Referee Mike Dean - FUNNY MOMENTS - Bing video

 

Edited February 24, 2021 by Rhodes

[Rhodes]

On 23/02/2021 at 20:33, petethegreek said:

The FA had no choice but to charge him under E3 for Improper Conduct.
Very likely he will be given a warning with a week or twos 'holiday'.

I see that Darren Drysdale has been let off the hook as you predicted, I thought the FA would throw the book at him:

Darren Drysdale says Alan Judge called him a 'cheating bald c***' as he is cleared to continue refereeing after clash (thesun.co.uk)

[petethegreek]

20 hours ago, Rhodes said:

I see that Darren Drysdale has been let off the hook as you predicted, I thought the FA would throw the book at him:

Darren Drysdale says Alan Judge called him a 'cheating bald c***' as he is cleared to continue refereeing after clash (thesun.co.uk)

I wouldn't call it being left off the hook.

The amount of games missed was already disproportionate to the offence.

[Rhodes]

PetetheGreek - As it's quiet again see what you make of this one, number two is interesting as if it's a stadium ban then surely the Manager is entitled to use his ingenuity and address the players by webcam, Marcelo Bielsa would wouldn't he and no doubt José Mourinho:

[petethegreek]

1 hour ago, Rhodes said:

PetetheGreek - As it's quiet again see what you make of this one, number two is interesting as if it's a stadium ban then surely the Manager is entitled to use his ingenuity and address the players by webcam, Marcelo Bielsa would wouldn't he and no doubt José Mourinho:

1. If this was years ago then it's a goal. If the ball this season touches the Referee then it is a drop ball to the team who played it last from where contact was made with the Referee. If the touch was in the penalty area then a drop ball to the GK.

2. I would inform a Club Official that I would be including this as an Extraordinary Match Incident in my report and let the the authorities deal with it. 

3. As it is a European match. there is a protocol to follow. public announcement, warning, then abandoned game

[Rhodes]

PetetheGreek - This is quite a nasty incident and an attack on an Official in Bulgaria, the perpetrator looks a dead ringer for your nemesis Tommy Kanaris infact I'm wondering whether it actually is him:

 

Edited March 17, 2021 by Rhodes

[petethegreek]

1 hour ago, Rhodes said:

PetetheGreek - This is quite a nasty incident and an attack on an Official in Bulgaria, the perpetrator looks a dead ringer for your nemesis Tommy Kanaris infact I'm wondering whether it actually is him:

 

No comment.  ?

[Rhodes]

On 16/03/2021 at 19:38, petethegreek said:

1. If this was years ago then it's a goal. If the ball this season touches the Referee then it is a drop ball to the team who played it last from where contact was made with the Referee. If the touch was in the penalty area then a drop ball to the GK.
2. I would inform a Club Official that I would be including this as an Extraordinary Match Incident in my report and let the the authorities deal with it. 
3. As it is a European match. there is a protocol to follow. public announcement, warning, then abandoned game

You are pretty much spot on again, it made sense to change the ruling for number one:

1) You’ve scored. A horrible scenario, but you have to try to calm everyone down and explain the position: the match officials are considered part of the field of play – just like the goalpost, bar or corner flagposts. So if the ball makes contact with you, even via an instinctive action such as this, the game continues. Award the goal. 
2) There’s no need to storm in there – a stadium ban is imposed by the game’s authorities, and they can judge what further action to take. Simply advise the club’s secretary that you have seen what is happening and will be including it in your report. Then start the game as normal. 
3) You must take action when racist abuse is unequivocal – options include having PA announcements made, taking the teams off and potentially abandoning the game. But you need to be sure: in this case, explain your concerns to both captains, and tell them you will deal with it by reporting the situation after the match, so authorities can conduct a proper investigation. Uefa competitions will also have a match delegate present, who will be monitoring crowd behaviour.