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Is there any reason the games have to be played by a certain date I.e. can GFC play the rest of their games after the season has technically finished? It's not like there are playoffs or anything to worry about.

 

From memory, there is a set date that the FA require games to be played by (early in May i think). I recall Lazarus telling us last year that he had the first May bank holiday available to schedule outstanding games, but I think they all had to be done by the following weekend. I assume it will be similar for this season, so i'm guessing there's only 1 or 2 additional Saturdays after 27th April that could be utilised (plus the May Day Holiday Monday?).

 

I think the reason for the deadline is due to the FA having to redo all the leagues across the country, so they need to know who qualifies for what.

 

Another possible issue with Friday/Sunday double headers late in the season, what happens if we have a wet spring? This could lead to 3 or 4 games having to be rescheduled at a very late stage. Good luck Lazarus, don't envy your task!

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Only done this I have been told,so that they get a share of the £7000 gate receipts.Which will be more than the prize money on offer.Shrewd thinking.

 

They had little option Smudge. Vase rules dictate that ties that cannot be played on the scheduled Saturdays have to be played either on the Friday or the Sunday and that if teams cannot mutually agree then they have to play it on the Sunday. They would receive a 50% share of the net gate receipts whichever day it was played.

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Beg to differ Alan,could of played Friday night,which would of required an overnight stay.Plus Players having to lose pay,for leaving work early.The overnight stay costs would of then been taken out of the Gate Money.Don't think Farnham received money,from their Vase trip.Easy for Horley to comply to a Friday request,they are only 10 mins from Gatwick.NO LOSS OF PAY?

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Beg to differ Alan,could of played Friday night,which would of required an overnight stay.Plus Players having to lose pay,for leaving work early.The overnight stay costs would of then been taken out of the Gate Money.Don't think Farnham received money,from their Vase trip.Easy for Horley to comply to a Friday request,they are only 10 mins from Gatwick.NO LOSS OF PAY?

 

Not easy for all of us,as some of us in the team work nights.

But with at least 4 months notice we will do what we can to get the strongest team possible there. The ones that are committed will be there.

Wht not help them out they are a nice Club with nice people isnt that what non league football is about???

After all they are the best team in the league in my opinion anyway and I hope they get promoted.

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4 months? so have all the other Teams been contacted, who have had their game lost for one reason or another?Was this a League led initiative,or Club to Club.If it is Club to Club why does the League have a Fixture Secretary thought he was the person to allocate fixtures.

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Beg to differ Alan,could of played Friday night,which would of required an overnight stay.Plus Players having to lose pay,for leaving work early.The overnight stay costs would of then been taken out of the Gate Money.Don't think Farnham received money,from their Vase trip.Easy for Horley to comply to a Friday request,they are only 10 mins from Gatwick.NO LOSS OF PAY?

 

So its a win / win situation. Both sides get more money from the net receipts (assuming a similar size crowd) Opposition players don't lose pay (unless like me they work Sundays :( ) plus they don't have time to blow that pay enjoying Guernseys famous night life. Only down side is having to play on a pitch that has had the egg-chasers churning it up the day before

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This is only my observations, not an answer to the problem, but all this talk of lost money and time off work - doesn't anyone get annual leave with their jobs. Playing at this level shows great commitment for something the players are obviously keen and passionate about - so is it really too much to ask players to take a days leave just once in a season? I would imagine that the Guernsey players and management must use up a lot of their annual leave to play midweek ( or even weekend ) matches. I understand that not everyone will be able to travel, but I am sure most will, after all it is well documented that the Guernsey midweek team is not as strong as it's Saturday team. If you have a team in your league, then surely you want to have as level a playing field as possible for ALL teams, and if games are lost to weather ( beyond anyone's control) or due to progress in The FA Vase or FA Cup ( which should surely be celebrated) then I think it would be unfair to penalise any team in that situation be it Guernsey or any other team. As I say these are only my observations, and it could become a problem, which I am glad I do not have to solve - I only hope whatever method is used it is FAIR to EVERYONE.

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im all for guernsey but its there problem regarding pitch an called off games why should it impact on anyone elses lives ie taking annual leave this isnt the premier league i have two kids an i like spending my time with them on annual leave.

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I am sure if you were Top of the Table,you would not agree to this.Why should your Players lose money to accomodate others,Guernseys take on Home Games must be in the region of £7000,let them do the decent thing and compensate Players loss of earnings,at a minimum.Interestingly No PLAYER who could be affected by this has commented on this thread,I wonder why?Likewise do not forget the OFFICIALS have they agreed to this.

Why should it always come down to money? You always want Guernsey to pay for this, that and the other. As one other poster has said clubs should have known there was a risk in midweek games. Of course everything should be done to aviod this, including Guernsey already offering to play two matches in less than 48 hours.

Where in the rules does it say GFC should compensate clubs/players?

 

Just cause GFC pay all the travel expenses does not mean the club are rolling in cash. They have already had two matches called off when the visiting team had already travelled. Yes I know they knew this was a risk when they entered.

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Only done this I have been told,so that they get a share of the £7000 gate receipts.Which will be more than the prize money on offer.Shrewd thinking.

Isn't this the norm on Vase matches?

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im all for guernsey but its there problem regarding pitch an called off games why should it impact on anyone elses lives ie taking annual leave this isnt the premier league i have two kids an i like spending my time with them on annual leave.

I totally understand where you are coming from, but hopefully this for you will just be a one off. In the UK as well as Guernsey we have had a wet summer and so far a pretty wet winter. So its not surprising so many matches have been lost to the weather.

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This is only my observations, not an answer to the problem, but all this talk of lost money and time off work - doesn't anyone get annual leave with their jobs. Playing at this level shows great commitment for something the players are obviously keen and passionate about - so is it really too much to ask players to take a days leave just once in a season? I would imagine that the Guernsey players and management must use up a lot of their annual leave to play midweek ( or even weekend ) matches. I understand that not everyone will be able to travel, but I am sure most will, after all it is well documented that the Guernsey midweek team is not as strong as it's Saturday team. If you have a team in your league, then surely you want to have as level a playing field as possible for ALL teams, and if games are lost to weather ( beyond anyone's control) or due to progress in The FA Vase or FA Cup ( which should surely be celebrated) then I think it would be unfair to penalise any team in that situation be it Guernsey or any other team. As I say these are only my observations, and it could become a problem, which I am glad I do not have to solve - I only hope whatever method is used it is FAIR to EVERYONE.

 

The diference is this. Guernsey as an island is behind its team and accomodate for absence. My boss does not give a toss about my football and NO I wont be using MY ANNUAL LEAVE during the week for a football game "at this level". these are only my observations. ;-)

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Some bosses are accomodating but some certainly are not. As far as I know the players still have to make up the time.

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Granted not far you can drive from one end of the island to the other in around 20 minutes. But they do not arrive back to the island until around 9.30am after a midweek game and catch the 2.30pm flight out so have to be at the Airport for 1.30, so its half a day plus an hour or two for every match. So far I think we have had five away midweek matches and around five more yet to be played.

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Darryl how many Egg Chasers games been called off,ZERO.so it is not a Health and Safety problem for Officials.Maybe Guernsey could hire a water sucking machine,or invest in a few Tarpaulins.Would hate to see them become the next C & H.

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You can't compare that though Smudge as the conditions required for a rugby match to be playable are vastly different to those required for a football match.

 

Water doesn't tend to stop a player running though it with the ball in their hands.

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Smudge, Management of the pitch is not under the control of GFC as the club just hire the pitch and facilities.

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Just award all points to the opposition and don't bother playin the games. There still win the league without them anyway.

 

That's exactly want badshot and Egham want to hear

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Here's another observation.

 

The League members voted Guernsey in. Fine, no problem on that score. However, now they are part of the pyramid, surely the Ryman or Southern League members won't get a vote on whether or not Guernsey join their league, if as looks likely they will go up this season. The FA allocate wherever they feel is best. Probably just as well, really, as given a choice, I doubt whether either league would vote for Guernsey to join them, bearing in mind the extra logistics involved with having them in their League.

 

There's no way the FA can say "sorry chaps, you have to stay in step 5 because the step 4 leagues don't want you". Effectively, the Combined Counties vote set the ball rolling and it can't be stopped now until / unless Guernsey voluntarily left the pyramid, which I don't see happening in the near future.

 

A few months back I suggested the Friday evening / Sunday afternoon scenarios would be the best bet. They may not be ideal, but ultimately, there is no better alternative. Why should Guernsey play their rearranged matches away from home? They've had three actual home postponements (RPV, South Park and E&E), far less than Chessington, but do you see anyone telling Chessington to play their games away from home?

 

Yes the Friday/Sunday does involve a day's holiday for those playing on a Friday, but everyone has plenty of notice and it is only one day out of an allocation of at least 20 for most people, with the exception of the self-employed.

 

Our club most definitely want to play our rearranged match on the Island as we were going for the extra night and won't get all our money back from the hotel if we don't go. Instead of moaning about it, just deal with it. These games won't be rearranged until at least February and probably later so everyone has plenty of notice. And if you don't want to go, there will be others at your club who will.

 

This definitely needs looking into in the future though to ensure that there is far less chance of this happening next season, whichever league they are in.

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Excellent post Fred. Very balanced.

 

I also recall that GFC officials travelled to London to meet with FA officials prior to being accepted into the CCL. I would have thought wet winters and possible promotion were high on the agenda. Last year I had an interesting chat to a FA Council Member that had been very supportive of Guernsey's application, interesting chap.

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